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planetischanging 12-11-09, 06:42 AM Our planet is changing and we can feel the changes now a days and not taking it seriously. There are several issues which need immediate attention like, Global Warming (http://planetischanging.blogspot.com/2009/11/global-warming-everybody-now-days.html), Greenhouse Effect (http://planetischanging.blogspot.com/2009/11/green-house-effect-green-house-effect.html), Climate Change, etc...
Can we still able to do something which can help our planet to stop changing rapidly? OR No time left to do something???
Please encourage all the peoples of different different countries to take part and motivate each other and share the knowledge to prevent (http://planetischanging.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-we-can-do-to-minimize-climate.html) the things. We have a time right now and "sooner or later we have to change our self" otherwise we will be HISTORY and no one'll left on the huge planet to read our HISTORY.
This is what a truth which we are not accepting and ignoring right now. But, keep in mind that we have created this problem and we have to fight with this problem from now !!
Planet is CHANGING !!! (http://planetischanging.blogspot.com)
moguitar 13-11-09, 06:05 PM To add to your list of 19 things to do; 20: Have one or no children!
21: Go to non-CO2 producing power! 22: Drive a hybrid and only when absolutely necessary.
planetischanging 15-11-09, 10:47 AM @moguitar
Thanks for giving additional points.
moguitar 09-12-09, 04:54 PM Our planet is changing and we can feel the changes now a days and not taking it seriously. There are several issues which need immediate attention like, Global Warming (http://planetischanging.blogspot.com/2009/11/global-warming-everybody-now-days.html), Greenhouse Effect (http://planetischanging.blogspot.com/2009/11/green-house-effect-green-house-effect.html), Climate Change, etc...
Can we still able to do something which can help our planet to stop changing rapidly? OR No time left to do something???
Please encourage all the peoples of different different countries to take part and motivate each other and share the knowledge to prevent (http://planetischanging.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-we-can-do-to-minimize-climate.html) the things. We have a time right now and "sooner or later we have to change our self" otherwise we will be HISTORY and no one'll left on the huge planet to read our HISTORY.
This is what a truth which we are not accepting and ignoring right now. But, keep in mind that we have created this problem and we have to fight with this problem from now !!
Planet is CHANGING !!! (http://planetischanging.blogspot.com)
With one child only, non-CO2 power, and only necessary travel in a hybrid, bump this up above the spammers, who should be killed and composted to rebuild Earth's 2/3 lost soil.
Kelly Thundercloud 15-02-10, 05:45 AM Our planet is changing...more storms??? Oooo more storm chasing!! Sounds good to me...and as long as humans never did anything to cause this change in the first place, why should be try to stop something that's natural?
Sorry, I don't mean any of these posts as personal attacks. I'm just so sick and tired of hearing about climate change in general, I'm about ready to puke...But I still love wind power, so ironic...but I do!!
moguitar 19-02-10, 06:56 PM Too bad, Kelly. I'm Theodore Roosevelt/Ike Eisenhower Republican myself. I can't stand Sarah Palin's over-breeding and ignorance of the human caused global warming effects in her own state. You can puke all you want, but human caused pollution in the form of carbon dioxide far above natural rhythms IS causing malevolent climate change, mainly in the form of fluctuation beyond historic, melting tundra with methane release, and melting glaciers. Overpopulation has been known since the 1960s and is the ROOT cause of all environmental problems. Throw in stupidity with ignorance, and greed.
Humans are the ones putting all the extra CO2 in the air, with burning coal and oil, draining marshlands and slash and burn farming to feed the overpopulation.
Green? Just because you like wind power?
Wind power and solar power are to reduce putting out CO2. I like safe nuclear developed in the 1990s and not utilized yet. Hydro is great, including micro-hydro, but the sad look of Lake Powell is from human consumption from overpopulation mixed with increased evaporation by global warming.
The plastic trash gyres the size of continents is from overpopulation and uncaring stupid people. The 100 ever expanding estuary dead zones are from trying to feed overpopulation with excessive and wrong fertilizers. Mercury settling nearly everywhere from dirty coal plants, and other poisons building up in our waters, ground and sky. The over-breeders demand for fish is making it so the oceans will be depleted before mid century and the big fish are full of mercury---even in pristine mountain lakes. Human interference and ignorance has ruined many ecosystems, and the back ground extinction rate is many times "normal".
Look at the ones doing all the over-breeding----the stupid, the crowd tolerant (a negative genetic trait developed from years of living in crowds over ecological carrying capacity long term), some of the greedy(the ones who are genetically greedy or think they are so great like Nazis), even ones you would think to know better like many American Indians. Overpopulation as an unstoppable expanding Juggernaut feeding on itself and blowing out depletion, destruction, and pollution as it rolls on toward THE CLIFF OF ECO-COLLAPSE. It's a monster bringing unimaginable future misery and death, and maybe even extinction of most life for a long time, with self-sustained methane release from human caused CO2 levels starting it.
"America where are you now, don't you care about your sons and daughters, don't you know we need you now, we can't fight alone against the monster".
Substitute your country's name for America, because extremely GROSS overpopulation, and its depletion and pollution far beyond Earth's regeneration and absorption rates is a WORLD PROBLEM!!!:eek:
my sign off is the Ute Rule of Life (too bad it isn't the morality of all people):
SlavaRybalka 19-03-10, 08:24 PM I'm not a pro in astronomy but I noticed last year that the sun is very high almost directly above your head in midday in summer. It was very unusual to me. I can't remember that the sun was that high in Gomel, Belarus ever. We aren't living on equator.
Can anybody explain that fact? Is the Earth's axis shifting?
:wideeyed:
moguitar 20-03-10, 05:20 PM I'm not a pro in astronomy but I noticed last year that the sun is very high almost directly above your head in midday in summer. It was very unusual to me. I can't remember that the sun was that high in Gomel, Belarus ever. We aren't living on equator.
Can anybody explain that fact? Is the Earth's axis shifting?
:wideeyed:
Technically the Earth axis tilt is wobbly and along with the orbit being most elliptical from astronomical effects, the tip is at or near its steepest, so the northern hemisphere with the most land mass has the shortest summers. We should be cooling down at the onset of the glacial epoch, but are not because of the amount of HGHGs. Theoretically, for a person to actually notice the difference in tilt, you would have to live for thousands of years.
Some scientists think that we are now actually in a different era, the anthropocene era where human effects on the planet are strong enough to be a geologic force on nature, and stronger than the astronomical effects which brought about the ice ages.
dayaftertomo 14-07-10, 04:06 AM Unfortunately the planet is not changing in any of the ways you believe it to be. If you calm down for a moment and look at the earth from a purely scientific point of view, you might be able to see the truth.
Stop blaming all of your life's problems on corporate greed, and look at things bigger than smokestacks that could be affecting the planets conditions.
Heating the earth is a giant swirling ball of flaming gas burning at over 15 million degrees celsius. It does however fluctuate in the amount of energy it puts out. This change in energy output is measured in solar cycles. Current data on sunspots suggests we are entering another "little ice age" just as we did in the 1600's. The earth has been much warmer than it is now, despite what al gore would love for you to think. In a short matter of years we will all be looking back on this pathetic attempt to scare the public into hiking up taxes on energy bills, and wondering why we didn't look past our emotions and our guilt driven society to think about a better future for ourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbAe_g41Zl4
moguitar 14-07-10, 04:06 PM There is no mention in this thread of "corporate greed". The climate forcing by solar variation is 1/10th that of human forcing. Get real of get out, asswipe!:realmad:
moguitar 15-07-10, 05:12 PM We were on a 2000 year cooling trend from the Earth's orbit going slightly elliptical and the Earth's tilt reaching near maximum. Geologically, the end of the interglacial epoch and the start of the next glacial epoch of 90K years.
In the past, initiation of the epoch was accelerated by increased reflectivity of snow that stayed. Solar cycles helped a little, but volcanic eruptions did more. With the Earth at maximum tip and maximum ellipticity of orbit, the snow tended to stay and reflect more solar radiation, cooling the earth more, with more snow staying, especially in the Northern Hemisphere. This was the major process. Years of low sunspot activity tend to cool the Earth a very slight amount, and years with volcanic aerosols much more.
However, human caused greenhouse gases(CO2, NO2, CH4 and water vapor) have brought the atmospheric level of them to a much greater forcing than even the forcings of Earth's tilt and orbital ellipticity, and much greater than solar activity changes. The sunspots have started their 11 year cyclic return with increasing activity(the first large spot several months ago), and even during their recent absence, the Earth's atmospheric temperatures stayed on the rising trend. In 2009 the tundra methane releases from human caused global warming more prevalent in the arctic, were at the tipping point of becoming self sustaining without more human caused greenhouse gas emissions. This is a critical point, because as it passes it is humanly impossible to stop the progression to the release of most trapped methane, and that progressive atmospheric warming going in a delayed manner of around 20 years per 100 meters or more of ocean depth to the explosive releases of methane clathrate deposits and other methane hydrate deposits at varying depths (see other threads). This accelerates the warming even more, whether the fizz outs ignite or not and when they break down into water vapor and more CO2. The whole process happening ten times or more faster than when it last occurred 55 million years ago. The recovery time then was 3 million years and it was initially caused by thousands of years of volcanic activity increase with more CO2, and then the ash settling out. 1/3 the species died out then, but this time there is much less time to adapt. So this one, caused initially by human overpopulation and fossil fuel burning, will have a much greater extinction rate. It has been estimated it will be 87%.
The Earth will go on, and probably after a similar recovery period as the Eocene max episode, new species will thrive.:GEEK:
dayaftertomo 18-07-10, 04:55 AM You evidently still have not looked into sunspot science my friend, the appearance of sunspots merely marks the beginning of a new solar cycle, it does not cause global cooling. The delay in sunspot appearances is a proven indication that the output of this new solar cycle will be significantly less than the previous cycles. You fail to give an explanation for the Medieval Warm Period, which took place during your "2000 year cooling cycle".
In terms of ice caps shrinking, a report by the national snow and ice data center has the arctic ice up 26 percent since 2007, and a frigid winter with record snowfall in the northwest is confirming to more and more people that it's time to end this era of feel-good ecopolitics and start looking at actual scientific data for a change.
One who stands in the way of human progress because he fears the earth will heat up into oblivion is the modern day equivalent of the men who argued against sailing across the Atlantic because they thought they would fall off the edge of the world.
TheMorg 18-07-10, 03:48 PM Dayaftertomo you always seem to miss the point. The solar cycle can do what it likes. Massive human overpopulation is the independent variable here, and the impacts it has had additionally to the existing systems.
One who stands in the way of human progress because he fears the earth will heat up into oblivion is the modern day equivalent of the men who argued against sailing across the Atlantic because they thought they would fall off the edge of the world.
Your ridiculous analogies are completely counter emphasizing, its your views that represent the common ignorant belief. We're the guys on boat.
TheMorg 18-07-10, 03:50 PM And I'm sorry to be so combative but this is exactly the kind of unscientific bigotry that stands in the way of actually getting anything done.
moguitar 18-07-10, 10:13 PM I would have to go back through years of posts for the link on solar and other climate forcings, and the total debunking of the solar cycles causing the present global warming trend. All the data was shown long ago on the medieval warming period, and on the cooling period before that. Plus all the pulses near the end of the last ice age, much caused by changing ocean currents and massive freshwater influxes. Like I said, the solar cycle forcings are small compared to the forcings of HGHGs tied to human overpopulation, extreme fossil fuel burning, and agricultural practices to feed the overshoot.
The arctic is not gaining back a significant amount of ice, but is still on a losing trend of melting. The HGHG Arctic warming has caused methane releases from the tundras to be at the tipping point where the released methane causes enough warming to continue more warming and more methane releases. Ocean warming is also approaching a point of methane releases down to 400 meters which will lag behind the tundra releases but be much larger. The tundra releases will be greater than all the CO2 humans have put in the atmosphere so far.
The "Milankovich cycle" and orbital wobble tip forcing is much greater than the solar variation, but is being totally overcome by human caused climate change. The ice age that should be starting isn't. Instead we are heading toward Eocene Max conditions in several hundred years.
The methane releases will get us there much faster than in the Eocene, beyond adaptability range of most species. The human GHG input started an unwanted process, not solar output variation.
TheMorg 19-07-10, 03:31 AM I'm fed up of this over defensive bickering. Give me a link to some 'solar cycle' science and Ill read it. Point me to where you have got your evidence from on which you base your opinion and Ill read that too. Explain to me why you don't think that with a human population which is 7 times that able to be sustained by the sun alone, we are not overpopulated and as a result unavoidably harming our environment.
If this is a debate over the nature of natural lets just stop it, Ive been there before and its pointless.
moguitar 19-07-10, 06:11 AM The denialist using arguments debunked years ago has been banned for one week for telling us to "off ourselves". Further BS from him will result in a permanent ban.:GEEK:
moguitar 26-07-10, 10:04 PM In my extensive studies the solar output was 1/10th the CO2 warming effect. This makes it significant in times of the average or lower CO2PPM over the last 1.1 million years of ice core data. The bigger effect was the Milankovich cycle and the axis tilt cycle through albedo changes of more snow. Until the past 30 years that is. HGHGs have overcome these cosmic forces to show an accelerating warming trend, which affects the Arctic regions more and thus last summer's observations of tundra methane releases in both Alaska and Siberia that are considered "at the tipping point of positive feedback", or self-sustained releases with even more warming from it. The Norwegians reported sea temperatures off their continental shelf of 1*F down to 400 meters deep with methane fizzing out and dissolving, so far, into the water. The methane clathrate sensitivity was found when it was attempted to be mined for large energy stores. It explosively releases at +2*F. As the tundra releases and the atmospheric warmth transfers to the ocean, even more methane will release to the atmosphere with more positive feedback until "turnover" of all oceanic and tundra methane to the atmosphere which breaks it down to CO2 and water vapor. When it happened during the Eocene it took 3 million years to reabsorb all the CO2 into relatively stable tundra and deep ocean hydrate deposits again.
So indeed the planet is changing ever more rapidly, and too rapid for most species to adapt, knowing biology and evolutionary processes. The cause is human activities which started unforeseen natural processes. Those in their mid thirties and younger will see first hand the beginning effects of climate fluctuation beyond historic. Even now records are being set more often than historical. First will be the population crash from depletion of various resources and the effects of the climate fluctuation. This will be followed by deteriorating conditions and increasing extinctions until thermal max around 2300 to 2400. Then millions of years to get back to an interglacial epoch like we are at the end of now, or would be if it weren't for the CO2, NO2, CH4, and water vapor put out by humans. The future interglacial will have a wide variety of new species, and most likely no humans or human types.
The links are in other threads. Like I said, the sun cycle effect being more than it is, was debunked several years ago.
Humans have become a geologic force on the biosphere, hence, the new name anthropocene epoch. It would be nice if people had little or no effect on the biosphere, but that is NOT the case, unfortunately.
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