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monkeyb0y
08-11-09, 09:50 AM
Hi all

I am new to this forum, so please be kind.

I believe that global warming, is being given far to much air time compared to the greater more important issue of global pollution.

It appears that global warming will benefit all, but governments will benefit far more through taxes, they have seen an opportunity and they are going to use it to their advantage.

Where as, pollution is poisoning us all slowly and with deadly effect, but the governments do not appear to be giving this great regard.

What are your views?

regards

Monkeyb0y

moguitar
28-11-09, 08:03 PM
Air pollution of particulates tends to be more localized, depending on partilce size. The toxic chemicals also flow downwind with the finer particles and settle out thousands of miles away. Like the 125 toxins including mercury dumping all the way from China to the continental divide in the USA, especially on the NW coast. Soot causing crop reductions in the Maldives from India coal plants. All coal plants putting out fine, carcinogenic soot.
The CO2 from coal and other fossil fuel powr plants, cars and trucks, plus slash and burn agriculture, excessive wildfires, and swamp clearing, is causing such warming as to release methane, an even worse by 23 times greenhouse gas, from the tundras and now beginning in the oceans where 40 times as much as the tundra lies ready to explode outward with only another degree of warming.
Which is worse? The CO2 is longer term, and is affecting the entire biosphere. The mercury is in ocean fish and even pristine mountain lake fish. Dead zones are at over 100 estuaries and increasing. Plastic trash is in two gyres in the Pacific the size, combined, of the continental US. Fine soot and seeded clouds mask the true degree of global warming.
The good thing about stopping all coal fired power plants, going to all hybrid and electric vehicles, no more marsh draining, and stopping slash and burn is that those other toxics will settle out and no more will be produced.
The mercury and other heavy metals, and the plastic, along with nuclear waste, will take a very long time to break down and leave the world clean again. But stopping those things which produce the CO2 and its malevolent climate change, and produce the aerial toxics are a necessary start. If people do nothing substantial, the pollution will quit when humans die off from their own overpopulation and pollution, taking most other life with them. Then the biosphere will continue and eventually heal, with new life forms in several million years.

illisters
29-12-09, 11:48 AM
The debate of whether we are or are not the main cause of global warming is getting truly irritating.

The point, I think, should be what if we are and what if we could have done something about it?

moguitar
09-01-10, 05:37 PM
The debate of whether we are or are not the main cause of global warming is getting truly irritating.

The point, I think, should be what if we are and what if we could have done something about it?
I hear you. Global climate change is from pollution of human caused greehouse gases. The latest reports from the Alaska tundra indicate that we are AT the tipping point for self-sustained methane release of the rest of the tundra methane, which is 2.7 times what is in the atmosphere right now of CO2 and methane. This will warm the oceans and they will do the same, with 20 to 40 times more.
If people would have acted back when it was first realized by 1992 and used the same efforts that were used to stop the loss of the ozone layer, then this tipping point would not have been reached. But big oil and coal, along with the ignorant slash and burn farmers who needed food for their overpopulation, cried to loudly and sunk to much money into delay tactics so they could die rich and happy while future generations suffer with misery and die. The root cause of overpopulation should have beeen dealt with in the late 1960s and early 1970s. That would have reduced the population to where global warming and aquifer depletion wouldn't be happening, too. Too many ignorant people acting just like dumb mammals, and others crying that having babies was a Right, when it is really a responsibility. Too many irresponsible and greedy and/or dumb people. We now need virtually instantaneous change. Good luck, eh?:mad::eek::no: